Indoctrination in Utah

Student Indoctrination and Shaming in Provo S.D.

Want to see how social justice and leftist indoctrination works in public schools? Look no farther than “conservative” Provo, Utah. Think all is well in “Happy Valley”? Think this stuff only happens in California? Think again. It’s all over Utah (yes, you can read that sentence two ways).

I think it’s time to fire some teachers and find alternatives to sending your children to schools where their minds and values are warped and parents rights ignored and denigrated. Failure to act means the next generation just continues the slide toward social justice and socialism.

The stories below are from one parent with children at different schools and from multiple teachers. “Oh but surely MY children are just fine.” Ask your children what things are really like at their school. Do teachers engage in these kinds of behaviors? Those are teachers that don’t deserve the title. This isn’t teaching. They need replaced by people who don’t twist minds, lie to students, ignore parental desires, and coerce behavior. Schools are to be a support to families per state law. Instead, we have teachers engaging in child abuse.

If the system can’t police itself, which it clearly can’t, then something needs to change including allowing for punishments for teachers who violate basic principles like these stories illustrate.  This has been going on for years all across the state with teachers violating various laws as documented on this site and others. They never suffer more than a wrist slap unless they get caught doing something severe. Reshaping of minds through social justice techniques is clearly allowed because who wants to punish a teacher, right?

How can legislators be so blind as to not see the negative consequences that are going to come from passage of HB 118 this past session where teachers will now have the state sanctioned power to “incentivize” taking state standardized tests? Unbelievable.

Story 1 – this isn’t teaching

“Recently, my 6th grader was telling me about how they were discussing global warming in their, “science,” class and how man is destroying the planet, resources are being used up and time is running out to an inevitable apocalyptic end of life as we know it if drastic measures aren’t taken to reverse the damage we, humanity, have Done to mother Gaia!

I asked my son if the teacher had said anything about sun spots and the cyclical temperature changes the planet has been going through for as long as recorded history has been recording temperatures? He said, “NO WAY!”

I asked why not and he said, “Are you kidding… you DO NOT disagree with the teacher or you will be in BIG trouble!”

I again asked him, why not? His great-grandfather happens to be a world renowned climatologist who taught at UC Boulder among other major universities during his career and invented complex weather tracking/prediction models. His GGF would laugh out loud when would hear people going on about, “Manmade Global Warming”.  He would say things like, “These idiots think our polar ice caps are melting because of SUVs and Hummers. Well how the hell do they explain the ice caps on Mars melting at a relatively similar rate to ours? Last I checked the only vehicles on mars were electric and there is only one!” He would often talk about solar flares and how they would affect cyclical warming and cooling periods around the solar system depending upon the frequency and extremity of the solar flares happening on the surface of the sun. He would also comment on the level of hubris ,”these idiots must have to think they are significant enough to actually have an impact and make a difference either way.”

My son has heard me talk about these examples before but still wanted to stay out of it. He began to recount a recent example of when another student had been so bold as to offer an opposing position on the, “settled science”, and he was called out into the hall to be chastised by both of the 6th grade home room teachers while both classes watched  through the glass doors. Message sent, loud and clear! Dissenting points of view are not allowed… or at least that is what the perception of the students is at this point. “Perception is reality”, or so the saying goes.

My other son in 8th grade overheard this exchange and seconded the notion that it is not ok to offer an opinion on the issue other than what the teacher presents. He said that he too was going through similar classroom experiences at the middle school.”

[Oak note: Independent thinking not allowed. Both sides of an argument not being presented. This is being taught what to think, not how to think.]

Story 2 – the lies they tell

“My 8th grader was in class the other day when one of the RISE Civics tests were handed out. Everyone was taking the test except my son (who was opted out) so after all the tests were handed out, the teacher walked over to his desk and began to tell him in a voice loud enough for the whole class to hear, that she knew his parents didn’t want him to take the test, but that if he didn’t, he would not be able to graduate high school or even be able to get an associates degree.

She proceeded to list all the things he would be missing out on, which made him feel very uncomfortable in front of his peers and worry about all the negative connotations mentioned if he didn’t take the test. So much so, that he took it, even though we had exempted him previously; Verbally and in writing, to the Principle, office staff and the teacher.

Think about the message sent to all the other students who were witnessing this exchange.

This teacher acted in direct defiance of the parents wishes, publicly shamed and emotionally manipulated a minor in front his peers and violated the current state law relative to the situation.”

[Oak’s comments]

Here’s where you get information on opting your child out of state standardized tests. (click parental exclusion and you’ll see the form. There are only 2 tests required: a civics test is required for graduation; and a CTE test is required for specific certification. No state tests are required for elementary or middle school. This teacher obviously knew that and knew this test had no bearing on college degrees. She clearly lied and manipulated this student and should be forced to apologize to the class and explain that she lied and manipulated the situation. She SHOULD be forced to do that, but will it happen? Doubtful. Administrators wouldn’t want to lessen teacher “authority” to the class, but it’s OK to destroy parental authority.)

Story 3 – Social justice and law breaking

“All year, I have been hearing about agenda based, framed questions from my son’s 8th grade English teacher about the, “undocumented immigrants” and the horrible things that are being done to them and constantly going on about how unfair their plight is and how we are doing nothing to help them to get to a better life, etc, etc, etc. I am sure you can imagine all the angles and ways that a teacher in that position, with a captive audience for the entire school year could cover such platitudes. As a side note, this is not the same teacher that has been going on about Global Warming that I mentioned before, that was the science teacher. That teacher just had them do an essay on, “What do you find alarming about Global Warming?” [Oak note: just the title of this assignment is indoctrinating and taking sides.]

Back to English class, he was recently given an assignment to come up with a plan to aid and abet the effort to help illegal aliens cross into the USA. Here is the assignment in his own words. 

‘We had to respond to the question, “What can I do to help immigrants get across the border of the United States of America?” Then, for the assignment, we had to come up with some type of physical object and a plan on what we can execute to succeed in that motive.

It was sort of like a project. We had to build a poster and respond to other related questions like, “What is our solution to this problem, why will it work and how are we going to do it?

Then we had to create a physical object that went with our plan, such as a legislative bill that we would propose, a website or an app or something that in some way correlates to the issue and our solution to it.’

So now, instead of just promoting the breaking of laws by the illegal immigrants, we are apparently getting into training on political activism and breaking the laws ourselves through criminal conspiracy and misprision? I mean, is this not disturbing?”

End Notes

1) Where is the legislator that will protect families and American culture? It’s clearly time for civil punishments where the school systems can’t or won’t monitor and police themselves.

2) I have a daughter attending a Utah college right now on a scholarship who doesn’t have a high school diploma or GED, and solely got that from her ACT score, single page homeschool transcript that showed what she did for four years prior to college, and transcript from an online charter school where she took some classes. Your children can get by just fine without local public schools or they can selectively dual-enroll and just take classes that suit them and homeschool for the rest without the indoctrination. Homeschooling is growing rapidly in Utah and with stories like these it’s not hard to see why. Click here for more information: (Is homeschooling right for your family?)

27 thoughts on “Student Indoctrination and Shaming in Provo S.D.”

  1. This brings back memories from my high school days at a Utah school. I’ve never forgotten one incident in my health class. My health teacher made the whole class choose a side of the room to stand in. One side represented those who were for abortion, the other side those against abortion. A majority of my class were Christian and we all stood together on the against side. The teacher than proceeded to congratulate the pro side and shame us on the opposing side by telling us all the ways we were wrong. She didn’t say one thing about the life that is taken when one aborts their baby. The saddest part to me was that she herself was pregnant at the time.

    There are other ways teachers shame, as well. Some of my teachers loved the power they could hold over their students. I was shamed in front of my class more than once (by different teachers) for needing to use the bathroom on a different schedule than the school’s schedule.

    I homeschool for many reasons, but teacher shaming and indoctrination are definitely two of them.

  2. I had the same issues with Centennial Middle School in Provo. After useless meetings with the school principal and assistant principal, resulting in their constantly making up excuses for teachers, I enrolled my child in 8th grade at a local charter school for the current school year, where he is doing much better grade wise. I will never put my child in a Provo public school again.

    1. Centennial Middle School in Provo now publishes a schedule when all the tests are given, so I am able to take my son out of class on the days that he is scheduled to take the tests. The downside is that it counts as a parent excused absence.

      1. Schedule doctor appointments on those days. Then I think you can get a doctor’s note and it not count against you as much. Not sure this would work but the thought popped up so I thought I’d mention it.

        I have never liked any public schooling. Sure there are nice people but they are still part of a bad system and no amount of nice is going to fix it. It started out Prussian and hasn’t changed. People think school is getting worse but it isn’t. It is just revealing more of the agenda it’s had all along.

  3. I would love a comprehensive article about how the new HB118 will change the ability for parents to opt their children out of RISE and ASPIRE tests. Parents and teachers need clarification on its effects.

    Right now I have a child in Middle School whose teacher states that they are against SAGE/RISE/ASPIRE/etc… but that they (the teacher) are being forced to make the test part of the overall grade in the class. No one knows what the rules are! It’s so frustrating! Please post something on this site (not FB or other social media, I won’t see it) to help us clarify!!!

    1. Ask that teacher how they are being forced to do that. It’s not state law that would do that. It’s possible the district or school admins are forcing this, but it’s also possible that teacher is lying through their teeth as this article shows they are fully capable of. Just keep asking questions till you find out who is forcing it and why they are violating state law. Make sure your school board member knows as well.

      As for HB 118’s effects, I’m not sure it goes into effect immediately but I bet some teachers will start coercive measures this school year instead of waiting. The main substance of the bill is teachers can now incentivize in academic ways, to get students to take standardized tests that they used to oppose. They’re being made tools of the state because the state wants the information.

      Best solution is to homeschool. If you can’t do that, find opt-out friendly schools that aren’t employing morally bankrupt teachers who lie and manipulate students to take meaningless tests. It’s not nearly so hard to homeschool as you might think. See

      1. Hi Oak! I see the home schooling option as a band-aid, good for the parents that do home schooling, but not so good for the kids that are left behind and being forced this BS socialist agenda. You mentioned tools of the state. I see no reason for the Utah State Office of Education, other than distribute taxes based on, “mother may I” or do as I say or you will get no money…I call that illegal coercion. The HAMMER needs to come down hard on the Utah State Office of Education! Quit with the socialist/communist agenda or be shut down. Better yet, just plain shut them down! I remember wanting to do some creative things in our High School curriculum in science, engineering, and manufacturing before STEM and was shut down almost immediately because of the Utah State Office of Education. The program I wanted to start was almost identical to STEM, but years earlier. Towards the end of my career in education they were giving bonuses for being creative, but not too creative as to Jeopardize their agenda, but the SJW could be very creative. Who in our state government is really fighting for our Constitutional values and against state run socialism? I really need names if you have them. Thanks so much for all you do!!

        1. We have worked hard to get ON the state school board ELECTED PARENTS who are trying to KEEP a parent vouce SOMEWHERE in this system!. The first step was getting Governor Herbert to not appoint boards, but allow us to vote for board members. Because these parents have dug deep, are highly intelligent MOTHERS , we have a higher authority who is listening to parents. They can help you achieve what is healthy for your child without battling local schools who may just diss your concerns. Please don’t say get rid of them at this point…they are trying to pass a bill to let the governor appoint HIS CHOICES and HIS CHOICES do not have parental concerns in mind…just people who support the governor’s views. They see parents speaking out snd wanting to get rid of them…we need a SHIFT to parent input on our board! Not dictators not listening to us.

        2. Agreed. It’s a Band-Aid. Why? Because the numbers are against us. While we’ll rear kids who aren’t mentally incapacitated, most others will not. Most parents don’t even know the extent to which their kids are being indoctrinated — and it’s prevalent. It’s in every grade from Kindergarten to 12th, and then on to the crazies in the Academia of accredited colleges and universities. The hammer does indeed need to come down. Hard. Perhaps we can start by kicking out every Californian – their disease is seriously spreading.

      2. Arizona Could Lose Funding Over Assessments
        April 5, 2019

        According to the Arizona Capitol Times, in 2016, a bipartisan majority of Arizona legislators “approved a law allowing school districts to offer a ‘menu of assessments’ to choose from, such as the SAT or ACT, rather than one statewide standardized test, currently the AZMerit test.” However, this law directly defies ESSA, and the U.S. Department of Education denied Arizona’s request for a waiver, which means Arizona is at risk to lose $300 million in federal funding.

        Tags: Accountability, Assessments, Dept of Education, Federal Rules and Regulations, Funding, State and Local Control

  4. I hope this parent that is experiencing these events with their children is taking action with the board and the school? Maybe some legal advice? Maybe having a meeting with the principal with legal counsel? I know homeschooling and private school are not always and option for parents. Is a co-op, though, in this case?

  5. Thank you for exposing what’s really happening in schools here. We moved to Salt Lake almost three years ago, and I’ve been horrified that my children have experienced the exact shaming and indoctrination you just described. My second-grader fell apart after his teacher shamed him in front of the class because I wouldn’t have him do the 20-page mindless homework worksheets. My fourth grader developed severe anxiety because of constant testing. This year, my now sixth grader’s class was neglected for three months (the teacher was injured) and the principal repeatedly lied to the parents about everything. Yes, we’ve called in the superintendent. Yes, we’ve been featured in the media. Yes, we’re jumping up and down trying to get this nightmare exposed. As you said, a small slap on the wrist is the only consequence.

    We came from one of the top schools in the country where my children were thriving. They were exploring, discovering, spending time outside, creating, and were encouraged to be curious. They were actually learning, and they loved it. Asking why and figuring out a myriad of different answers was how they had been taught from preschool on. It was beautiful.

    We can see clearly that what is happening in many schools right here in Utah is not education. School here is coercion to comply, manipulation of behavior and thought and tests, tests, tests. Grades are based on multiple choice tests, not actual demonstration of knowledge. It’s awful. I’ve become a major advocate for change and am exploring homeschooling and co-ops here. In the meantime, I was elected the chair of our SCC, formed a group of hundreds of concerned parents and teachers across the state and am tirelessly fighting (with a team) to get things to change. Thank you for exposing these awful truths.

  6. School board is your best bet. Charters have no protections for parent, teacher or student concerns. You complain you might find yourself expelled. A charter is not democratically governed. It is a business. They are rife with fraud, using public funds for private interests.

    I do not know how to rid ourselves of the toxic testing. I have spoken to my legislator and senator and have decided they will not get my vote next time around. Education is all about the tests. We don’t even know if they are reliable or valid. In the early grades, most questions deal with basic skills but have little or no real content. Consequently teachers teach basic skills but no content. This means that your students will not get meaningful instruction in science or social studies. There are questions that are above developmental expectations of young children.

    These big bad teachers you all seem to slam are given a required curriculum. They probably do not have access to your global warming studies and it was likely that it wasn’t provided in their university classes either. Teachers are held accountable to the curriculum. If a student brings up something contradictory, the teacher may feel caught between a rock and a hard spot. Education is highly politicized. And most teachers feel that they are caught between the two opposing sides. Some days it feels that teachers work a job where success is a dream if not out right impossible.

    1. I am truly grateful for the good teachers who are out there slogging through a toxic system to try and do the right things for our children. It’s a shame that the public, legislators, and school board members, are so brainwashed into thinking the current system is “education.” It’s conditioning. As John Taylor Gatto put it, about all you can do with compulsory education is throw sand in the gears to try and slow it down. Until we actually respect the personal agency of students and families and realize that the world doesn’t end if kids aren’t tested 24/7, we are going to continue to stress kids out, make learning aggravating, and cause kids to drop out and worse.

      1. Thank you for acknowledging the difficulties and stress we work in. I read the comments following my post. I got into education because I enjoyed teaching and planning activities for children. I still do not believe that common core addresses the needs of our children. The bullying of teachers by administrators and other teachers is real and needs to be addressed. I continue to work in the classroom aside from the need to feed, shelter and cloth my family is a sense of compassion I feel towards the children caught up in this juggernaut.

    2. You, teachers, should never be allowed to push your morality on schoolkids, you should provide schooling not your bias. Stick to the facts, not opinions and if teacher is untrained in a certain area that he or she is teaching, well that raises a few questions in itself. What is a proper response to a contradictory ‘fact’ – too often it is an on the spot shaming of a kid. I would say the response should be ‘I will investigate that and we can discuss it at another time.

  7. I read every bit of this. I couldn’t help remembering how “shamed” I felt in faculty meetings AND district meetings when I sat listening to what things we were being told we had to teach, and how much better this new curriculum was coming from worldwide origins. None of them seemed as personal as my VERY dedicated planning every night for my students, using their IEP ‘s as a guide, for every single day of the year. I didn’t like them sitting at desks, so we sat around a kidney table so they could MOVE! I used active games in teaching math… drilling times tables with basketballs instead of sitting too long at desks which took up space for movement. I knew my prayers over lesson planning were far more inspired. But… my kidney table became a jail and I had to sit them down with pencil and paper and institute dictator style this rigid program for 45 solid minutes. I am just saying… good teachers got shamed out of teaching too. All that is left is those who smile and agree. It is “here to stay” they are told. Global goals by non-educators are shoved down their throats. Liberal teachers are happy. It gives them reign and authority to dictate ideas and shame (they do this to other teachers in the faculty room, too) anyone who disagrees. Oak is right. The schools were taken over long ago. Teachers still comfortable with teaching just work around things the best they can. I am still asking about goals in the music curriculum that I HELPED WRITE WITH AVERY GLENN FROM THE STATE OFFICE?? What has changed except the equipment we now have? The goals to music study are still the same. They don’t need changing. I want my NON-AGENDA BASED, totally academic, high reaching goals written by local teachers BACK. I retired early so I could speak out. Understand that all teachers have to follow this agenda thrust upon them from districts who buy into the state, who bought into FEDERAL ideas for education and who were guided by global gatherings to unite the world! We are so far removed from our child psychology training because we have to do what is not healthy for children and shut up about our training. I agree with Oak. Home schooling was the answer many years ago when I took my children out. You only get them for 18 precious years so eat that up! Stay by their side! It is not easy but yes the schools lie. There are better, easier ways to train up a child in the truths, in the way they should go and they will pass the tests better for college, spell better, write better, because you are their best hope. You love them most and can guide them better. Listen and learn…. It is not the same place I went to 30-50 years ago. It has morphed into a monster. Don’t let anyone shame YOU for being smart enough to get them out.

    1. Thanks for posting Susan. You’re absolutely right about the teacher shaming from other teachers and administrators. I know other good teachers who spoke out and were put down. This happens in public schools and in universities as well as a follow-up article is going to show…

  8. Why is bullying not allowed among the children, but teachers are allowed to bully their students as well as other teachers, and get away with it?
    You can call it “shaming”, but it’s really bullying.

  9. Here is an email from a PGHS teacher 2018. I had concerns my daughter had to Google and study Hugh Hefner for an assignment. Neither the principle or teacher seemed to think it was a big deal.

    “Hi, Mr. Norman told me that you called today about a reading I assigned students a few months ago as we were starting work on Rhetorical Analysis. Thanks for letting me know about your concerns, and I will reconsider whether to assign “Speaking Ill of Hugh Hefner” in the future.

    I assigned the reading after collaborating with the AP teacher, who thought the reading was “amazing” and who subsequently used it in her class, as well. The article is actually a New York Times Opinion-Editorial by Ross Douthat, a conservative commentator, who wrote this mock obituary after Hefner’s death. In the scathing op-ed, Douthat tears into Hefner, whom he refers to as a “pornographer and chauvinist” who “aged into a leering grotesque in a captain’s hat, and died a pack rat in a decaying manse where porn blared during his pathetic orgies.” Douthat goes on to smash the excuses “open-minded” people have made for accepting Hefner and porn. With the students, we analyzed Douthat’s style, tone, and culture references, and I also thought it was a decent reminder of the shady roots of porn.

    Thanks for telling me that Kenzy did not enjoy this article and found some of the vocabulary too explicit, and as I said, I’ll reconsider whether to use this piece in the future. While we talk about college-level subjects and analyze difficult readings, there are many to choose from, and I don’t have to choose this one.

    Feel free to contact me if you have further questions. Mrs. Harline”

  10. That’s why my children go to Kimber Academy…it’s all about God, Family & Country…Teachers have to present to parents what they will teach once a month & get Parent’s approval before teaching!
    Best school my kids have ever gone to! Our best investment ever!

  11. The best way to stop all this madness found in schools is to boycott…when money is pulled away from schools & one day the schools are empty, they will get the point!

    My vote: leave socialistic schools and use the free market system…it’s what America is founded on…freedom of choice!

  12. All the arguing between teachers and parents are what the system want, how can we work together for the good of our children if we are fighting with their teachers over these crazy tests. There is a lot of pressure put on teachers to push these tests through, I have heard the teachers get “graded” according to how many students they have taking tests, don’t know if it’s true , but don’t doubt it, their job may be on the line, so of course they will do anything to save their job. And sadly our kids suffer on behalf of this system, who is behind the tests? Who is pushing separation between working together as parents and teachers to truly help our children learn?

    1. Johanna, that is not what the system wants. The system wants parents to be quiet and not interfere in their efforts to indoctrinate. They want parents to accept what they are doing rather than have an active role. They don’t want conservative parents speaking up about the garbage. That’s what’s happened in CA already. Once your child crosses the threshold of the school, you have lost your parental rights. The feds are behind the major standardized tests, but the state office of education is wholly complicit. Teachers used to oppose standardized testing in large part, but now that they have school grading based on assessments and merit pay, teachers are now becoming master manipulators and liars to get students to take the tests. I’m getting more stories about the lies teachers have told students to manipulate them into taking the tests. It’s sick. This testing nonsense has to stop.

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