3 questions for those who favor CCSS

I would like to invite those who favor Common Core State Standards to answer these questions for me. Thus far (2.5 years+), I have been unable to get sufficient answers to these questions as to provide me any level of assurance that the Utah State Office of Education didn’t simply adopt CCSS for a shot at Race to the Top money (which they didn’t receive). Subsequently, they have proceeded to tell the public we adopted CCSS to get superior standards because CCSS was internationally benchmarked and superior to our Utah standards. This information has never been proven, and in fact, one organization’s analysis proves the contrary.

1) Will you please describe for me what was deficient in our (Fordham) A- rated 2007 Utah math standards which necessitated adopting CCSS?

USOE saw no problem with our prior D rated 2002 math standards that made it critical that we improve them in 2007, and they testified against improving them in 2006 to our legislators. Our 2007 standards have been declared better than CCSS by the Fordham Foundation.

2) What research can you show that CCSS was ever internationally benchmarked?

Here is a quote from the American Educational Research Association and contradicts the claims made by the USOE that Common Core was internationally benchmarked.

“International Benchmarking:
Wisconsin’s SEC database contains some information on content standards for other countries. In mathematics, there are data for Finland, Japan, and Singapore on eighth-grade standards; alignments to the U.S. Common Core are .21, .17, and .13, respectively. All three of these countries have higher eighth-grade mathematics achievement levels than does the United States. The content differences that lead to these low levels of alignment for cognitive demand are, for all three countries, a much greater emphasis on ‘perform procedures’ than found in the U.S. Common Core standards. For each country, approximately 75% of the content involves ‘perform procedures,’ whereas in the Common Core standards, the percentage for procedures is 38%.”

It’s even worse for Utah because of the integrated path the USOE chose to implement along with Vermont. They specifically put algebra 1 completion in 9th grade for most students so that Utah will never be on par with states or nations that put a normal path to algebra 1 completion in 8th grade. Here’s a brief writeup Ze’ev Wurman did on CCSS vs. our 2007 standards ( https://www.utahnsagainstcommoncore.com/utah-math-is-not-accelerated-under-common-core/

Here is Dr. David Wright in BYU’s math department pointing out 8 problems with the way the USOE implemented CCSS in Utah. (https://www.utahnsagainstcommoncore.com/dr-david-wright-vs-usoe-8-0-for-dr-wright)

3) What do you have against Utah not having better and proven standards which Fordham says are clearly superior to CCSS and which WERE specifically benchmarked to Singapore and Japan, and why shouldn’t we have adopted these in the first place? (OK, that’s 2 questions)

(ex. CA’s math standards which have a proven track record of dramatically improving math proficiency for all children including socio-economic groups and minorities.) https://www.utahnsagainstcommoncore.com/solution-utah-should-adopt-californias-math-standards


8 thoughts on “3 questions for those who favor CCSS”

  1. Oak,

    Thank you for bringing these questions we advocates against CCSS have been asking for a long time now. However, as they say: “Never ask a question (especially to an opponent and/or in debate) to which you don’t already know the answer.

    The short answer (because I’ve given too many long answers-LOL) to your questions above can be universally used for all three which is; because the world is becoming more and more socialistic as our Bible and other scriptural prophets have prophesied. And also because our president and all associated with him in his cause socialism which is what he calls “fundamental change for our county” which flies in the face of a free society and limited government per our U.S. Constitution. Why? Desire for ultimate Power and Control stemming from an upbringing by many socialists and his own declared Marxist Grandfather who raised him. With that, a vendetta festered over his growing impressionable years against colonialism and a free society born of pride that holds the belief that society cannot think for themselves and needs someone smarter to make decisions for them. Which begs the question of how do you take a free society based on equal justice and not social justice transform it into that ideal socialistic, dependent, and enabled society? The answer we’ve all heard by many before as well as have observed it happen throughout history as in the case of Stalin and Hitler who carefully planned and “dumbed down” Nazi Germany by initially burning all the books and deceiving the people to believe that they had the answers and education they really needed for “them” (the few powerful) to free their people. Much like Castro did to Cuba, which is a poignant story Ted Cruz’s father tells from his youth and young adult years leaving Cuba during the election in which Castro ran ad campaigned for “fundamental hope and change”. So it is with this president. He is a masterful deceiver of the people however, not all the people. Unfortunately he has deceived and drawn into a “lull” most of this country. I say most because he has enough who are fence sitters and proponents mostly of entitlement mentality, that these numbers outweigh those freedom minded and Constitionally based conservatives. So with that almost draw and voter fraud, we have a president who was bought and brought into power by the strategic few. So CC and CCSS were brought in by big $$bribes and rammed down our throats in a stealth manner with the help of our legislators and governors; some asleep at the wheel and others fully cognizant yet influenced through the grand bribe; as was our Governor: Herbert. So you start dumbing our children down with this CC which just like our president, was not proven nor vetted and came in strategically stealth. The younger generation who is our only hope is being captured-literally in morals and mentality.

    That is the “short answer”. Now, would you like the long one? Then you can turn to many books written by informed authors passionate on the subject of this grand-theft” of our children’s’ education. One of many is: If It’s Broke, Don’t Fix It, A Candid Look at Our Complacent Education System, by Mr. Noriega (forgot his first name and it’s not in his book but you can Google him and his book. I recommend it. In a presentation he gave last April in the Centerville Public Library Conference Room he explained the intricacies of CC’s history and how our Governor Herbert was bribed, being gratified by pride and given rights to sell the new CC testing which means Utah stands to make $millions from it. Governor Herbert is now trying to expand Medicaid in our state which will turn the tables of our economy to a majority public control or economy. I sometimes thing that he did such a good job of building Utah’s economy with the plan to bring in these socialistic to progressive programs like Medicaid and CC in a way that would not rock our state economy at least, right away or in the short term. However, it will all come to roost and if we do not turn this around on all fronts, Utah will not lead the way in all the main indicators like lowest unemployment, etc. I believe and think prophetically (for myself of course-in my course of study and observation) that Utah is like how President Reagan described the United States as the “Last bastion of freedom in the world”; I declare that Utah is one of few of the last hopes for a free state in this United States. If we turn things around, this will make the divide greater as time passes between Utah and the rest of the states who are moving towards socialism. This may necessitate us becoming the United State of Utah (or something to that effect) and annexing from the country. How awful and breath taking such a thought. May we continue in our peaceful fight against all this which will surely bring our country to its knees. Thank you for reading. Sincerely, and heart felt and committed to freedom’s cause, Mark G.

  2. I would like to invite those who favor Common Core State Standards
    to answer these questions for me.

    Hello Oak, sorry for the length :)

    I speak for myself and noone else :)

    In my experience, you won’t get any answers unless you dig them up yourself :)

    Truth is always buried, just human nature :)

    Even many “on your side” will happily throw you under the bus / refuse to speak /
    not say a word if it is more profitable (or their livelihood is on the line…which
    is the case for all of us)

    I would not wish Common Core on my worst enemy, but perhaps it can ignite
    some resistance & counterforces.

    Common Core is GREAT because maybe the public will finally wake up.

    Maybe people will see the corporate infestation of schools is communism (the merging of
    the public and private sectors)…maybe people in the U.S. will see communism
    and socialism takes many forms, and is not just food stamps or “free” cell
    phones…maybe people will take Ralph Nader seriously next time when he warns us
    about Channel One.

    Maybe people will see a living income with no strings attached is in many ways
    pro “free” market” and less socialist or communist than our current system of a
    gazillion incentives (and rewards withheld for noncompliance)…maybe people will
    finally see that Pavlovian conditioning and treating us like dogs to be molded towards
    the path of “global citizens” (or any agenda, a similar statewide agenda would be just
    as bad) goes against “God” since it denies us individual souls.

    Maybe people will see that there is a genuine lack of independent research
    in education (the Gates Foundation to this day “does not give grants to individuals” —
    go to their website and see for yourself)…

    see also: http://cryptome.org/jya/soft-tempest.htm

    for an example of pre-determined “research” outcomes

    Maybe people will finally believe us when we say global corporations care not for
    the free market, or the U.S., or any country or its government for that matter

    Tie this in with NSA spying and “collect it all” and everything is SUPER because
    we don’t get called crazy anymore for insisting on freenet or i2p or invisible IRC
    or PGP…nothing could be BETTER for some of us :)

    For lovers of devil’s dictionaries this is EXCELLENT news.


    this is BEAUTIFUL news…”God” is not running things at all, never has in my
    lifetime, and has not been for quite some time. Pavlovian conditioning goes
    against “God” since it denies us individual souls.

    Maybe some of us finally got the answers that we have been denied every step of the
    way, that we could only find by “disobeying” and “resisting” and ignoring just
    about everything we were “taught” (conditioned into accepting) over the course
    of our entire lives.

    This is BEAUTIFUL news, what some of us have been saying all along.

    Maybe people will finally wake up.

    1) Will you please describe for me what was deficient in our (Fordham) A- rated 2007
    Utah math standards which necessitated adopting CCSS?

    I would wager, if it was “superior” then it is simply unfit for “world peace” and
    hence deficient on those grounds.

    Education to help individuals run their own lives was never the goal, and never has
    been in my lifetime; when you see that “superiority” is “unfit” to these people,
    everything makes perfect sense.

    According to Mr. Dodd (see below), Mr. Carnegie always intended the U.S. colonies
    “reunite” with Great Britain; while Carnegie himself apparently did not promote
    collectivism with taxpayer money, future plans just play into this.

    I advise you to look at effects and outcomes of actions, regardless of what guise
    they are done under, or what the present-day excuse / rationalization for them is.



    Why should ANYONE in the U.S. believe the federal government on ANYTHING at this point?

    In early August, the C.I.A. stepped up the pressure. Iranian operatives pretending
    to be Communists threatened Muslim leaders with ”savage punishment if they opposed
    Mossadegh,” seeking to stir anti-Communist sentiment in the religious community.

    In addition, the secret history says, the house of at least one prominent Muslim was
    bombed by C.I.A. agents posing as Communists. It does not say whether anyone was hurt
    in this attack.


    I read in the paper about how Mitt Romney thinks NSA spying on us 24/7 is
    “good” because they “alert us when foreign nations spy on us”…which sounds great,
    but does us no good if we are already effectively a “foreign nation” ourselves at
    this point.

    What exactly are they “protecting” us or fighting for, if we are simply to
    be corporate communists ourselves from this point onwards?

    See also:

    Norman Dodd interviewed by Edward Griffin:


    (youtube video of above also available, as is another interview with similar
    content by radioliberty & Dr. Stan Monteith)

    I will not vouch for the interviewers, although am glad they did these, but
    Norman Dodd’s story seems consistent and he came from a career of banking, not
    documentaries or “exposing the truth”, so I find his story particularly
    compelling for anyone still sitting on the fence.





    the book itself is also great…grab an unabridged if she still has any :)

    2) What research can you show that CCSS was ever internationally benchmarked?

    None, but it fits the game plan to a T.

    I feel “internationally benchmarked” is quite irrelevant re: U.S. interests.

    International benchmarks can be said to go against U.S. independence and
    interests, I’m not sure the U.S. should even be concerned about any international
    benchmarks…not with taxpayer money…not unless our own sovereignty is at stake
    …educating the world is not our job, certainly not with U.S. taxpayer money.

    It goes against our “true aims” (as does “five eyes”):


    So I do not feel it is up for debate at all; private individuals with their own
    money can donate to whatever causes they wish, sell Nazi flags if they believe that
    is the way to go….

    U.S. taxpayer money on the other hand (and/or exemptions and/or state or federal grants)
    going to promote international causes is another thing entirely

    Health issues and perhaps environmental issues require international cooperation, but
    I see little need for much else.

    Hijacking all education and propping up a “global economy” are not something I
    feel the U.S. should necessarily care at all what other countries do, we should
    certainly not march in lockstep with them or even “cooperate” it is just a fast path
    to suicide


    Taxpayer funds routed to global causes disappear and never come back; any local
    businesses are hurt and inevitably go under if they do not take the bribes; it is
    just a gaping chasm … we might as well flush our money & country down the toilet.

    3) What do you have against Utah not having better and proven standards which Fordham says are
    clearly superior to CCSS and which WERE specifically benchmarked to Singapore and Japan, and
    why shouldn’t we have adopted these in the first place? (OK, that’s 2 questions)

    Superiority was never the goal. Because “world peace” demands a submissive populace and the end
    of U.S. independence. Because “better” and “proven” runs counter to “reducing achievement gaps”
    (“mastery learning”, see wikipedia or many other sources…DDoA has many fine sources).

    Because UT is just not relevant in the “grand design” of things, nor is the U.S., nor is
    any particular nation for that matter.

    RE: Mark G’s comment:

    I believe and think prophetically (for myself of course-in my course of study and observation)
    that Utah is like how President Reagan described the United States as the “Last bastion of freedom
    in the world”

    That’d be nice, but I grew up here, and beg to differ :)

    You are full of false hope :)

    We BEGGED the NSA to pick us for crying out loud, then act “surprised” something
    unconstitional was going on.

    I’m sure Utah is full of freedom lovers, but they seem to have no influence in my
    lifetime whatsoever. If there are any freedom lovers in UT, they are certainly not
    in control or running things here. IF anything, UT is full of “kindness” and we turn
    our backs on treason, look the other way every.single.time.


    If anything, UT is too soft on “Republicans” (in name only) and all too happy to lump
    all the blame on Obama…they will never know the truth in either case, think they are
    above it all, that “their guy” is innocent every.single.time.

    The historical record is simply that UT lost to the federal government. Many
    “Utahns” are all too happy to join in the treason at this point.

    “religions should not be tax-exempt because then the government inevitable
    controls them”

    She is a smart lady, smarter than the whole state of UT combined :)

    Witness Prop 8 :)

    You’d think the “freedom loving” Utahns would have seen this coming a mile away…
    apparently not.


    On the league’s to-do list under Becker will be to push for more public-private partnerships

    Nope, UT is screwed like everyone else. Really, UT is going to resist the
    “league of cities” ? I’d love to see it, it just ain’t so.


    If anything, Utahns will place all the blame on Obama, and nothing will ever change.

    Just a new figurehead, rinse and repeat.

    “free speech zones” UT is going to resist communist onslaught?

    We seem to be losing, don’t really care either way :)

    What strange part of UT do you live in where anyone gives a darn about anything?

    If anything, they were smart to target Granite School District…we breed
    quicker and more fruitfully than anyone else.

    Forbes magazine even says we are #1 in the nation to do business in….nope,
    UT is already gone at this point…people really do not have a clue.

    If there is any good news, if people actually knew what these things were, there
    would be riots. Instead, we riot over a baseball game.

    Instead, we fight over football games.

    No, UT is pretty thoroughly screwed like everywhere else :)

    If anything, Utahns will ensure this is a partisan issue rather than an issue
    of national sovereignty, and nothing will ever change.

    They will play it as “we need to vote Republican!” and nothing will ever change.

    They will say “we should have listened to our leaders” nevermind they are already
    all infiltrated, already on the godless communist treason train.

    Already, they demonize any opposition as “Tea Party politics.”

    If anything, Utahns will tell us not to badmouth Microsoft, they worked very hard
    to get where they are at.

    If anything, Utahns will give us another SCO and nothing will ever change.

    Nothing will change, Utahns are naive and too trustworthy :)


    Utahns are addicted to “Agile Methodology” the same as anyone else.


    an adjunct to the Agile Manifesto

    We are all just human capital to these people, have no individual souls.

    Just value to be extracted.

    Utah is already infected, already completely gone.




    (about the opposite, but alas, the same words can mean many things in different context)

    There’s no hope in UT :)

    We will all have 20 children and 20 more taxpayers funding our own demise forever :)

    I am not anti-religion, those are just the facts :)

    Unless UT is going to disband from the union, any changes need to take effect at a
    much larger level, going back hundreds of years even.

    UT is just as doomed as anywhere else. Most of us have families here, so we will
    put up with just about anything to feed them. Sad fact of life.

    I see no UT rebellion (reversion back to founding principles of this country)
    on the horizon. We are already gone :)

    Reagan was actually part of the problem. Either he was hijacked, or ignorant of what
    he was actually promoting…makes little difference. He MAY have actually intended
    to shut down the U.S. Dept. of Education, but that is not what actually happened.


    see “Exchange Initiatives”


    “Our friends in the other party will never forgive us for our success, and are doing everything in their power to rewrite history. Listening to the liberals, you’d think that the 1980s were the worst period since the Great Depression, filled with suffering and despair. I don’t know about you, but I’m getting awfully tired of the whining voices from the White House these days. They’re claiming there was a decade of greed and neglect, but you and I know better than that. We were there.”


    You know what? She was there too, you can ask her all about it :)

    “The years ahead will be great ones for our country, for the cause of freedom and the spread of civilization. The West will not contain Communism; it will transcend Communism. We will not bother to denounce it, we’ll dismiss it as a sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages are even now being written.”

    Reagan was an ACTOR. Either he was duped, gave up, or had no clue what he was doing.
    Perhaps just greedy.

    The facts simply contradict his words. We did not “transcend” anything, we imported
    it and expanded it by bringing it over here…and on his watch…


    And at the end that’s all you’ve got
    You don’t know what you are, just what you’re not
    Until the story’s over

    You are so delicate but bullet proof
    A little fiction goes a long, long way
    You are the first, the last and the walking truth
    The black and white when everything is gray




    the man who used to speak / performs a cute routine / feel a little patronized
    don’t feel bad / they found a way inside your head / and if you feel a bit mislead
    / it’s not that they don’t care

    serotonin’s gone / she gave up / drifted away
    sarah fled / thought process gone

    And we can thank “Republican” Bush II for “No Child Left Behind” which just
    tightened the chains further.

    Apparently his father also was in favor of “one world government” (and hence “global”
    education + a pre-planned “global” economy as well) so it is no surprise…seems to
    run in the family.

    And you will find much opposition to the Reece Committee was “Republicans”
    (in name only)…Mr. Dodd was even told he was an “anti-semite” to obstruct the

    see also: “mastery learning” and Khan Academy and their list of donors: many tech. companies,
    Gates Foundation, started by a former hedge fund manager, so many more…the list goes
    on and on…


    watch them burn it down / turn the hoses on / and announce a new beginning

    “Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here have had experience either with the OSS during the war or the European Economic Administration after the war. We’ve had experience operating under directives, and these directives emanate and did emanate from the White House. Now, we still operate under just such directives. Would you like to know what the substance of these directives is?”

    I said, “Mr. Gaither, I’d like very much to know,” whereupon he made this statement to me: “Mr. Dodd, we are here operate in response to similar directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

    Even if you believe Reagan truly cared about the U.S. and defeating communism, there were
    much larger workings already under way, from over a hundred years prior, which it seems
    never actually ended


    – NARA does not have the dictaphone belts that Katherine Casey brought back,
    they told me if they are not in the official archives of the report, they do not
    know where they are (not surprising, no smoking gun there)

    – the “fun” part: NARA was created from lobbying by the AHA “as a result of his
    study of European archives”


    As a result of his study of European archives, J. Franklin Jameson submitted
    a program to the AHA for the systematic collection and selective publication
    of American historical source materials. The AHA established the Historical
    Manuscripts Commission and appointed Jameson as its chairman. Jameson was also
    the founding editor of the American Historical Review

    certainly interesting, when you see:

    Toward the end of the 1920’s, the Endowment grants to the American Historical Association $400,000 for a study of our history in a manner which points to what can this country look forward to in the future. That culminates in a seven-volume study, the last volume of which is, of course, in essence a summary of the contents of the other six. The essence of the last volume is: The future of this country belongs to collectivism administered with characteristic American efficiency. That’s the story that ultimately grew out of and, of course, was what could have been presented by the members of this Congressional committee to the congress as a whole for just exactly what it said. They never got to that point.

    ED GRIFFIN: Katherine Casey brought all of these back in the form of dictated notes from a verbatimreading of the minutes?

    NORMAN DODD: On dictaphone belts.

    ED GRIFFIN: Are those in existence today?

    NORMAN DODD: I don’t know. If they are, they’re somewhere in the Archives under the control of the Congress, House of Representatives.

    ED GRIFFIN: How many people actually heard those, or were they typed up, a transcript made of them?


    ED GRIFFIN: How many people actually heard those recordings?

    NORMAN DODD: Oh, three maybe. Myself, my top assistant, and Katherine. I might tell you, this experience, as far as its impact on Katherine Casey was concerned, was she never was able to return to her law practice. If it hadn’t been for Carol Reece’s ability to tuck her away into a job in the Federal Trade Commission, I don’t know what would have happened to Katherine. Ultimately, she lost her mind as a result of it. It was a terrible shock. It’s a very rough experience to encounter proof of these kinds.

    I really don’t think anything will change, unless Russia reneges on our “deal”
    and changes their (our) mind about our current arrangement.

    Who else is outside U.S. influence, that could actually withstand our communist
    infestation of the globe?

    If anything, we will just get every nation on board, one-by-one…

    While I don’t think we should stoop to “their level” and should be careful of our
    tactics just as much as any message, you really have to undo brainwashing at this point,
    a few generations, for people to even begin to comprehend.

    What makes you think people will just not forget the U.S. was ever independent?

    Can you compete with $400,000 of money going back a hundred years to rewrite
    textbooks favoring collectivism over individualism?

    They have over a hundred-year hard start on you already, billions of dollars,
    a deceived public.


    Really, UT is going to save us all?


    “Utahns tried and tried—for almost 50 years—to win statehood.”


    Congress passed the Enabling Act, which set forth the steps Utah must take to
    achieve statehood. One of these requirements was to ban polygamy in the state constitution

    No, Utahns are just as wishy-washy as everyone else.

    The more likely story is either UT leaves the union, or the state divides itself
    down the middle (arguably has already occurred).

    The vast majority of UT as a whole, will simply accept federal rule, as
    we have always done, whatever we are told from “above.”

    That is simply the history of UT.

    Rhetoric about how self-reliant and independent we are is just like Reagan’s speeches…
    doesn’t change a thing, unless there is action to back it up.

    We are 0 for 100, losing badly, same as any other state.


    “What good does it do me, after all, if an ever-watchful authority keeps an eye out to ensure that my pleasures will be tranquil and races ahead of me to ward off all danger, sparing me the need even to think about such things, if that authority, even as it removes the smallest thorns from my path, is also absolute master of my liberty and my life; if it monopolizes vitality and existence to such a degree that when it languishes, everything around it must also languish; when it sleeps, everything must also sleep; and when it dies, everything must also perish?

    There are some nations in Europe whose inhabitants think of themselves in a sense as colonists, indifferent to the fate of the place they live in. The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance.

    NAILED IT circa 1881; that’s cool, noone listened. We’ve had over 100 years to wise up.

    WAR, n. A by-product of the arts of peace. The most menacing political condition is a period of international amity. The student of history who has not been taught to expect the unexpected may justly boast himself inaccessible to the light. “In time of peace prepare for war” has a deeper meaning than is commonly discerned; it means, not merely that all things earthly have an end—that change is the one immutable and eternal law—but that the soil of peace is thickly sown with the seeds of war and singularly suited to their germination and growth. It was when Kubla Khan had decreed his “stately pleasure dome”—when, that is to say, there were peace and fat feasting in Xanadu—that he

    heard from afar
    Ancestral voices prophesying war.

    One of the greatest of poets, Coleridge was one of the wisest of men, and it was not for nothing that he read us this parable. Let us have a little less of “hands across the sea,” and a little more of that elemental distrust that is the security of nations. War loves to come like a thief in the night; professions of eternal amity provide the night.




    Rumack: Can you fly this plane, and land it?
    Ted Striker: Surely you can’t be serious.
    Rumack: I am serious… and don’t call me Shirley.

  3. Sorry Mark, to me the more likely story is we all get death threats against us and our families, and we are
    robbed and our identities stolen, and we are suppressed forever :)

    That is just how human beings roll :)

    I advise you to be more cynical for your own sake, nevermind anyone else :)

    Believe that was Orwell: imagine a boot stamping on the human face, FOREVER.


  4. re: Mark

    if Utahns cared we wouldn’t have an NSA data center here :)

    We were already compltely gone, before all of us were even born.

    Technology is intimately tied to Soviet-style conditioning.

    I was told by every Utahn at the time I was “paranoid” so I hate to say I told you so :)

    In Utah, “the book of knowledge” is officially Satan’s plan…that’s what I was told :)

    We are supposed to be submissive and compliant, not question orders from above.

    I doubt the vast majority of Utahns will ever know the truth, ever bother to divert course :)

    I find it more likely, most Utahns simply wish they were in charge, and the methods to achieve
    compliace are just as irrelevant as they are to the “CC” people.

    I don’t think you are wrong from your own life and experiences, just live in a different state than I do :)

    Utahns are as dumb as anyone else…what we’ve been taught from the very start, to obey orders from above.

    If Reagan ever actually believed his words, he failed miserably.

    “Republicans” in OR are just as infected and diseased as UT ….. I don’t see any resistance of any
    actual effectiveness at all :)

    We should not give up, but I would not declare victory, not by a long shot. Everything I have seen, we have lost every step of the way.

    I have nothing for or against Reagan…but people I have met, seem to have no clue what actually
    transpired :) That does not invalidate his speeches, but makes you wonder how much of it he actually believed, or who wrote them :)

    He defended Nixon to the bitter end too, according to “the invisible bridge”

    thought POWs being tortured was “good” in that they “all believed in God” afterwards, and that is what gave them the strength to survive…….

    I am not convinced Mr. Reagan was anything but a Russian spy (or deceived) or he was not aware of what he was actually doing…his actions + words simply do not line up.

    It is good some people actually care, but we are playing catch up, they have at least a hundred years head start on us, and all the money gained in the meantime :)

  5. Mark:

    I have over $60,000 stolen from me, that says “God” simply does not care :)

    Nope, they would rather suppress us all, leave us all for dead. It is simply more profitable that way and more efficient.


    Kaplan (eee truthout articles) has no clue what they are actually doing….filled with “believers” without a clue :)

    Many of the same people all around, if you follow their “leaders” :)

    They LOVE Bill Gates’ plans for education.

    I think there is much more opposition than people realize, just many of them simply do not have a clue, and probably never will. There is no money in “reading” especially “obsolete” things. If they only knew.

    Unless they resist pretty much everything they were ever taught and are taught from here on out, most people will simply fall in line…this has been going on for generations.

    I just cannot share your optimism. They literally think “onward Christian soldiers” is synonymous with lifelong slavery…they welcome it with open arms, all they have ever known.

    There are too busy listening to “we will rock you” … not a clue.

    No, the younger generation is screwed, UT and everywhere else.

    Same as it has always been :)

    You can save your own family, won’t make a difference. Any opposition needs done on a worldwide scale.

    Hiding out in UT is just running away, won’t stop it. Turning the other cheek and doing nothing will not win, just sink us deeper and deeper.

    UT is already gone, has been completely gone in my lifetime, with nary a word from anyone, until I found that DDoE book from a smart lady in Maine :)

    There’s an NSA building here for crying out loud!

    “beacon of freedom” we are not. We are just part of the problem.

  6. Utahns are “not fond of loud noises” … most will never know the difference here, I assure you :)

    We are all “domesticated” and pretty much have to go against all of our conscious instincts (what is ingrainted into them at this point, anyway) to even begin to comprehend…most simply will not take that leap of faith away from comfort and everything they have ever known :)

    All the money is against UT :) All of our own money, at this point :) Every taxpayer, at this point :) Around the world ;)


    Utahns will roll over and die like anyone else. We’ve been doing it for hundreds of years. It is our collective psyche at this point, in our DNA if you will :)

    We will all be crucified, and they will never have a clue, they think that “saving the world” is their
    God-given right with our tax dollars :)

    Sad, but true :) We will all go out of business unless we change things at a much higher level. Saving UT is pretty much just suicide and defeat, we should aim much higher, be on the offensive.

    Most people are in debt, will sit there and take it every single time, dig themselves in deeper and deeper :)

    They will spin it that “young people all prefer apartments” and noone will ever know the difference :)

    I have not seen one word against common core in the local newspapers, not one that even halfway approached any of the real issues. They are all on board ;)

  7. They have literally told me you have to “make everyone happy” … no the “other side” is full of “true believers” without a clue :)

    Kids say the darndest things :) Not a clue :)

    You can lead a horse to water :)

    You should realize more “Republicans” (in name only) are on board than not, apparently seem to have been right from the start. Don’t even realize what they are doing, have no clue.

    Let that sink in :)

  8. In Utah, “the book of knowledge” is officially Satan’s plan…that’s what I was told :)

    correction: “tree of knowledge” … no, Utahns care more about membership numbers…not what we actually are promoting or busy doing. Just about how many people you can sign up, nothing more ;)

    Simply more profitable and efficient, than treating people as if they have individual souls.

    Sad fact of life :) I would wager more Utahns are brainwashed than are not.

    Haven’t seen any opposition in all my years. Any opposition is simply silenced, never gets heard. There is never any “debate” to be had.

    Look at Mia Love …they “debated” who best represents “LDS values” …. but they are now both on the godless communist treason train of Pavlovian conditioning.

    Perhaps Mia didn’t think she could win by sticking to her guns of closing the Dept. of Ed……any opposition is simply silenced, drowned out, suppressed into oblivion.

    I’d love to see UT be the “beacon of freedom” but it has never been in my lifetime, probably never will be without massive change / disruption / dismantling / seceding.

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