Dual Enrolling Your Child

Dual Enrollment Guidelines – Opting Out of Math or Other Classes

This post is a duplicate of something I posted a few years ago when serious math issues were happening in Alpine School District (http://www.oaknorton.com/imathresults37.cfm). The purpose of dual enrolling is to allow your child to attend some classes at school, but homeschool or get tutoring for classes you are concerned about (like say Common Core math, or English). Some of the below information may be outdated so it would be helpful to check current laws.

The Home School Legal Defense Association says this about homeschooling in Utah:

Public School Access for Homeschoolers—A Legal Summary

UTAH

Home school students shall be eligible to participate in extracurricular activities at a public school consistent with eligibility standards. School districts may not impose additional requirements on home school students that are not imposed on fully enrolled public school students. Utah Code § 53A-11-102.6

Home school students who are dual enrolled are eligible to participate in any extracurricular or co-curricular activity in the public school available to students in their grade or age group, subject to compliance with the same rules and requirements that apply to a full-time student’s participation in the activity. State Board of Education Regulation R277-438-34. Utah Code § 53A-11-102.5.

Utah code section 53 A-11-102.5 on dual enrollment

Utah code section on extracurricular activities for homeschoolers

Some of the information below may be outdated since this is a copy/paste of a previous post. Please check with the code sections above and your local district administration for questions you have.

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What is dual enrollment?

Dual enrollment is where you as a parent decide you want to teach your child some subjects at home and have your child enrolled in public school for other classes. For example, you want to teach math at home but allow your child to continue with other subjects and activities at school.

The school system should mind this as they get full credit (ie. money) for your child being taught in their school but don’t even have to teach your child full time.

State laws and other resources concerning dual enrollment

http://www.rules.utah.gov/publicat/code/r277/r277-438.htm

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C004.htm

http://www.uhea.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=52
(look on the left menu bar under Legal Issues for a couple other useful
links)

Parent Comment: With the new homeschooling laws that took affect last year, I don’t see that a form is required anymore for Dual enrollment. You have to submit a “statement” of your plan to the school/district. There were some modifications up for discussion in this year’s legislative session. I couldn’t see if the amended changes were actually passed, but here’s the link.

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2006/bills/sbillamd/sb0072.htm

State Employee Comment:

Dual enrollment does not require you to tell the school district anything about your plans. All that is needed to obtain the Homeschool exemption is an affidavit (a notarized letter; we’re working on changing the requirement for notarization) saying that the parents will provide instruction for the number of hours required by state law (900 hours/year). The School district is expressly forbidden from reviewing or approving your curriculum choices, and they are required to approve all requests for exemption. http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C003.htm is the actual language of the law as it currently stands. From subsection 2(d): A local school board may not:
(i) require a parent of a minor who attends a home school to maintain records of instruction or attendance;
(ii) require credentials for individuals providing home school instruction;
(iii) inspect home school facilities; or
(iv) require standardized or other testing of home school students.

The proposed changes to the home school statutes died in the House Rules committee last year and were not passed by the legislature. SB72 (the bill you link to) was actually substituted twice before it passed the Senate and moved to the House. This link: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2006/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0072S02.htm goes to the second substitue’s “cover page” which has links to the bill text, committee and floor vote histories, and amendments. The 2nd substitute bill made some additional changes to the dual enrollment statutes as well.  The requirement for notarization is a quirk of Utah law. In federal law, an affidavit only requires a signature, but Utah law requires affidavits to be “sworn,” which requires a notary or a court clerk. Sen. Mark Madsen was unfamiliar with the Utah practice and drafted the original bill based on the federal practice; we had a very strong bipartisan support for the bill in ’05 and didn’t want to open any debate by making changes to the bill that created the affidavit requirement.

If a student is fully home schooled, the school loses the state funding for the student. They get the funding back if you enroll the student for a single class or any part of the school day, so they should be eager to allow the dual enrollment status. See section 53A-11-102.5 Utah Code: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C004.htm. This section of code details all of the requirements for dual enrollment, and might be helpful for anyone wishing to convince the school or district that there really is a dual enrollment provision in the law.

What is needed to dual enroll

It appears that all you need to dual enroll is to submit a plan to the school such as the following:

Intent to Dual Enroll

I plan to teach <MyStudentName> <Subject> at home on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday’s from 8-9am and will no longer need to do the work from <SchoolName> in this subject. I do not want my student to be penalized, graded, nor required to do homework in this subject from the school. End of year SAT/Iowa testing can be accomodated in this subject.

<MyStudentName> will be in class at <SchoolName> during the balance of the school day, 9am – 2:30 pm on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays and from 8am to 2:30 pm on Tuesday and Thursdays.

Thank you.

Parent experiences with dual enrollment

Oak,

I have had my children for the last 5 years on this dual enrollment.  I started with them in 5th grade teaching math at home.  They have not had to attend class during for the math instruction nor do they get a grade (which is meaningless) for math.  I have taught them up through algebra and then in 9th grade have them start with geometry in Jr. high, so they can get the credit for graduation.

The district has a form that I fill out each year that releases them from the Math instruction.

(Oak note: a district form is not required)

*****

Teacher Comment: I had a student whose parents wanted her doing Saxon math. I was NOT doing Investigations. I had my own textbook that I think is super. The mother gave her Saxon assignments to do while we were doing math, and she did her own thing, usually finishing somewhat sooner than we did.
The mother reported how her assignments were done and gave me scores on her tests. I entered those scores, which I had to calculate to fit percentage-wise with my tests. She got a grade. The mom was OK with that. It worked. It was a small bother. Some teachers wouldn’t do that, but it was OK with me.

*****

I had this situation last year.  Math was taught in the middle of the day, so I just sent my son’s math “homework” with him to do during math time.  He participated with the class when he was finished with the work I gave him (I didn’t mind investigations as a supplement).  I used Saxon and sent the worksheets with him.

Regarding the paperwork for dual enrollment, I spoke first with the principal, then with the teacher to inform them that I would be teaching my son math at home and would be doing “homework” during math time.  While they both were quick to assure me that they supplement Investigations, neither one offered resistance to my plan and I didn’t end up having to fill out any paperwork.

I just wanted to stress that my approach was that of a parent informing the school personnel what I had decided.  I didn’t justify, argue or persuade.  I had made a decision regarding my son’s education and told the school about it and offered to fill out any paperwork necessary.  Had my plan required extra work on the part of the teacher, I would have taken a different approach.
*****

Oak, I had a neighbor who did this for math only (Saxon at home).  She arranged with the teacher to have him just sit at his desk during that time and work individually on his Saxon workbook.  This teacher was very cooperative, and the child understood that he needed to work independently during that time.  The neighbor needed to make sure her son knew what pages he needed to work on during that time each day.  It worked out great for them.

I contacted you last Spring about this.  When I mentioned  to my daughter’s teacher that I was considering “opting out” of math (5th grade), she was very cooperative when it came to math.  She understood that I wanted my daughter to be given full credit if she got the answer correct using “traditional” strategies.  She understood that I completely disagreed witht he “fluff” of Investigations, and if my daughter didn’t write complete paragraphs describing how she got an answer and then “how she felt about it” that she was still to get full credit.  Occasionally I would have to write a note on her homework saying that she had completed the assignment and to call me if she had any questions.  I had to occasionally remind the teacher what our “agreement” was, but each time we spoke about it I mentioned that I would be happy to go through the official approval (I didn’t know then that it is called “dual enrollment”) to have her excused from math.  She didn’t want me to do that probably because she knew it would be a little more coordination for her (she would have to have math at the exact same time every day, or she would have to let my daughter work on her workbook while the other kids did math) and because I think she understood that my daughter was getting double the math instruction so she would be one of the many kids who would keep the district math test scores high because she was being “tutored” at home.  Anyway, my advice to parents wanting to do this is to be firm and to persist until you get the arrangement you want.

My other daughter (10th grade at LPHS) was enrolled in pre-calc honors.  There were no pre-calc honors teachers who taught traditional.  So, after a couple days in that class (my daughter really wanted to stay on the honors track) we changed to a “traditional” teacher.  The honors class went from a full class to being cancelled because when she left there were only 8 kids left in the class because they had all transferred out because they wanted traditional.  I spoke with her counselor about it and he acknowledged that there were no traditional honors teachers, but he didn’t have any solution.  I also mentioned that LPHS AP Calculus test pass rate had slipped significantly the year before (spring 2005) and asked him if they were going to add more traditional instruction to help the kids do better on national standardized tests and he had no response.  That is my biggest gripe with this math–if you only have kids in elementary level, then you can’t see down the road to what happens when they have to take ACT, etc. and compete with kids all over the nation on timed tests that rely heavily on basic facts.  My two oldest kids (Freshman at BYU) weren’t hurt that much by it, but my two youngest daughters, especially the sophomore, are the ones who will suffer when it comes to speed and accuracy on these tests.

Thanks for letting me vent–I think we’re getting ready to approach my daughter’s 6th grade teacher and give her the same “option”, which is Investigations “my way” or opting out.  Keep up the good work!

*****

We dual enrolled our children for math last year.  We lived so close to the school that they came home during math, but we were told by the principal that they couldn’t be unsupervised at school (like in the library) and that they couldn’t just stay in class and read a book or do their “home” math assignments because it would be distracting to the teacher and the rest of the class.  So our choices were to either send them home or keep them at school and they would have to participate in investigations math but wouldn’t be responsible for homework and wouldn’t receive a grade.

*****

Oak,

My wife and I dual enrolled my 15 year old for the last three years. All that is required is filing a homeschool exemption affidavit (which the district cannot deny) and then enrolling the student in whatever classes you wish them to take. [Name] took three years of orchestra and a year of art.

A side note: The state and the school districts have prepared forms for the affidavit, but these forms ask for more information than the law requires. We just send in a notarized letter stating that we’re home schooling. The UHEA form is the best one to use, but the districts may be a bit balky about it.

(Oak note: notarization should not be required by anyone)

*****

I really really like the idea of dual-enrollment for math.  As I’ve considered it, I’ve asked my 5th grader when they do math.  “Whenever”.  So, I’d bet she could do her other class homework during math, or go to the library and work on whatever (my math homework?)…  If your child is not disruptive, why would the school care if they were there?  If she gets her other class homework done during that time it opens up time at home for math.

(Oak note: I really like this idea–opt your child out and let him/her use it as a study hall to get other homework done so you can do math at home and not other homework)

*****

Our experience with dual enrollment has only been with the junior high school. The “rules” are that the child cannot remain on the school grounds during the class that they’re not taking. I asked if our child at the time could attend the library during that hour and the answer was “no.” So, if this child is in elementary school, it’ll depend on the principal. Another alternative is to come to the school during that class period and take the child to the learning resource center (library) and work on math at the school. I’m sure the school will work with the parent if the parent presents a couple of alternatives.

*****

I have heard of a parent attending school during math time and taking their child to the library to teach them math.

*****

We pulled our #2 son (during 6th grade) out in the beginning of the day (math time) and took him to a local Jr. High for Pre-Algebra. When he got back to the elementary he helpd out with the others in math. Incidently, we pulled him out during the Christmas Break, brought him up to speed in 2 weeks and then he pulled straight A’s for the rest of the year.

*****

Where can I see and purchase home school materials

There’s probably a lot of places that sell really good home school materials if you want to teach your child at home. For math, I’d just keep it simple and use either Singapore or Saxon math materials. You can purchase them online from this store based in Salem, Utah, next to Spanish Fork. Their address is below in case you’d like to visit them and see the materials hands on to compare them.

http://www.lovetolearn.net/

“Love to Learn”
741 N State Rd #198
Salem, UT

14 Responses to Dual Enrolling Your Child

  • Dona McGuire says:

    Hi Oak,

    Question regarding affiliation with a charter school system such as Harmony Education or My Tech High. Based on this paragraph from above:

    Dual enrollment does not require you to tell the school district anything about your plans. All that is needed to obtain the Homeschool exemption is an affidavit (a notarized letter; we’re working on changing the requirement for notarization) saying that the parents will provide instruction for the number of hours required by state law (900 hours/year). The School district is expressly forbidden from reviewing or approving your curriculum choices, and they are required to approve all requests for exemption. http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C003.htm is the actual language of the law as it currently stands. From subsection 2(d): A local school board may not:
    (i) require a parent of a minor who attends a home school to maintain records of instruction or attendance;
    (ii) require credentials for individuals providing home school instruction;
    (iii) inspect home school facilities; or
    (iv) require standardized or other testing of home school students.

    Can these organizations require standardized or other testing of these students who are essentially homeschooled (if they do not participate in a brick and mortar type school)? One of their requirements for participating and thus them receiving state funds, is that we participate in “state-madated testing.” Can we opt out and still participate? It would seem that they would choose to have other families willing to subject their children to these tests participate in their programs to keep themselves afloat. If we can opt out, funding should not be withheld from them. Can you shed some light on this subject, please? Thank you very much.

    • Oak Norton says:

      Dona, I’m so sorry I never saw this question from you. I am not 100% sure of the answer. I’ve emailed Senator Osmond to ask if his homeschool bill will prevent this. I don’t think dual enrolled students should be subject to tests for courses they take at home.

  • Amy Gines says:

    Hi, I am really interested in doing dual enrollment for my oldest daughter next year (5th grade), but I have been told I will be fought tooth and nail by the district. They tell me there are two programs that they do not allow dual enrollment with, Chinese immersion, and CAST. I want to keep her in Chinese and homeschool her for the English portion of he day. Can anyone tell me if they have any legal basis for preventing me from doing his? Thanks so much!

  • Darla S says:

    I was told by the Registrar at Provo High today that they will be happy to help us work out a schedule if we want to dual enroll our girls. She also told me that unless their core classes we do at home are provided by an online charter school, they will not count toward graduation requirements.

  • nicole says:

    I am hoping any/all of you on here can help me or give me insight. I live in Alpine District. I have a 2nd grader, as well as an 8th grader. Let’s say I file an affidavit at Alpine District saying I will be “withdrawing” from the district/homeschooling my kids. But let’s say I want my 8th grader to attend art and maybe music (or whatever) at the Jr. High. And want my 2nd grader to do the same at the elementary. What is the best way to go about this, without ruffling the feathers of the admins at the schools? I mean, essentially, I’m going to have to “enroll” my kids at the school, but then “withdraw” them from everything EXCEPT the elective classes… RIGHT? So my kids WILL basically be on the school “records”, but NOT have to be beholden to the State when it comes to standardized tests, attendance, grades, etc. What have any of your experiences been with doing this? Any insight will be MUCH appreciated!!

    • Oak Norton says:

      You shouldn’t have a problem with this Nicole. Call the district office and ask to speak to the person that handles dual enrollments. I just had to go there and sign a paper and it was done. There may be more steps required for elementary students. If they don’t help you let me know.

  • Jenny says:

    I live in Alpine District. I have a child that would like to dual enroll for electives next year for 10th grade. How do I do this? Is there still a need to submit an opt-out form if my child will not be enrolled for any core classes? I am also wondering if I need to submit paperwork for both homeschool (affadavit) and dual enrollment for this child?

  • Stephanie Brown says:

    My daughter is in k12. She wanted to take a musical instrument, but k12 said she can’t be dual enrolled. How do I teach her social skills? Please help

    • Oak Norton says:

      Are you talking about the K12 online program? I’m not sure I know enough about it to address your statements and question. Does the online K12 offer some type of online musical instruction? I don’t see why they couldn’t let people dual enroll since you’d just be doing math or something outside the program. I’d run that up the leadership ladder and ask why they have an exemption from state law. As for social skills, if your child is in K12 and you want her to develop social skills, get her involved in church, sports, and other community activities.

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